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| Topic Started: Jun 25 2008, 11:14 PM (289 Views) | |
| ttiger2004 | Jun 25 2008, 11:14 PM Post #1 |
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Tommy Hanson threw a no hitter for Double A Mississippi. Hanson also had 14 strikeouts. Kotsay helped out in this no hitter. He went 2 for 3. Imagine adding this kid to our rotation in a couple of years. http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/06/25/bravesnot_0626.html |
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| Braves N 09 | Jun 26 2008, 12:03 AM Post #2 |
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If his stuff stays as nasty and can keep getting out people in the up and coming years I will get excited then. But ya he is got some good stuff in Double A. |
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| Abws1995 | Jun 26 2008, 01:00 AM Post #3 |
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Awesome!! He is now playing 9 innings, right? I remember last time he got close, he was only playing 7 innings or something. |
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| gobravez | Jun 26 2008, 06:32 PM Post #4 |
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yeah it was a complete game, nine inning no hitter. Last year he had a no-hitter going but gave up a hit in the 7th. |
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| ttiger2004 | Jun 26 2008, 07:37 PM Post #5 |
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I think our future is looking so bright and this kid is just in Double A ball right now. We got young guys working themselves up through the system. I just love how he pitched a complete game No Hitter, while striking out 14 and walking only 3. I think our pitching staff for the future is going to be just fine, we get one more stud to go with them, it just will give these young guys some more security. I read a good article on how even the vets pitchers like Smoltz and Huddy are amazed at how JJ, Reyes and Morton have stepped up and handled the pressure of pitching in the big leagues. These young kids are going to the veteran guys and talking to them on how to pitch to the hitters on the other team and Smoltz has even said he will be there as much as he can so these kids can talk to him. I think our pitching is going to be in fine hands for years to come, with JJ, Reyes and Morton already here and Hanson, Rohrbough, Tehran Locke and Co. coming up through the system. That is good to know that our vets are passing down knowledge to these younger kids. Letting these young kids know they can come and talk to them about anything. |
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| BravesFan74 | Jun 26 2008, 09:10 PM Post #6 |
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John Montefusco threw a no hitter. Charlie Lea threw a no hitter. Mike Warren threw a no hitter. Tommy Greene, Kevin Gross, and Eric Milton have thrown no hitters. Actually, there are lot more pitchers that suck really, really, really bad that have thrown no hitters than there are good pitchers that have thrown them. I don't think it's too wise to base how excited we are about a kid because he put together a great 9 innings. His K/9 have dipped this a bit this year, and he still can't stop walking people. I'm also not a raving fan of the .8 HR/9 lifetime average either. He was incredible that first half season or so of A ball, but since then, he's shown a lot of really big question marks. Especially those walks. He's worth watching, but he's goingn to have to cut the walk numbers nearly in half, and maintain his K/9 marks if he's ever going to be anything. Walking guys and being prone to home runs are a HUGE no no. |
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| chop44 | Jun 27 2008, 12:56 PM Post #7 |
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i didnt get all worked up over a no-no in double A(?), but these stat assumptions are bogus..sure, he needs to work on some things, but these dont magically throw his great performances out the window either.. tom glavine is a career .72 hr/9 career avg. his k/9 may have dipped a slight degree, but if you look at the big picture rather than that one stat, he's on pace to fall about 10 strikeouts short of last year's total. that's minuscule. look at johan santana's k totals every year... 169 265 238 245 235 walking people? he has 30 walks in 90 innings of work (compared to his 98 strikeouts). by comparison, jair jurrjens has 36 in 90 innings of work. edison volquez has 48 in 99 innings. granted, these are all mlb games, but just for a reference point. these stats are all good tools, but they aren't gauges. Edited by chop44, Jun 27 2008, 12:57 PM.
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| BravesFan74 | Jun 28 2008, 12:01 AM Post #8 |
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So we're comparing a guy who has played against the lowest levels of professional competition, to a guy who has been pitching in his decline phase for like 6 or 7 years? Ok. That's absolutely pointless. Either way, this is something I brought up because his numbers over his really short career so far don't look squeaky clean here. However, he's given up only 2 home runs in his last 70 or so IP. This is a very very minor concern, but something I just thought was worth mentioning. The real problem lies in his inability to get guys out. You cited Jurrjens for some reason, and Edinson Volquez. Jurrjens seems like a really weird point of comparison, since there are a pretty big handful of mediocre pitchers out there, but I can deal with Volquez. The thing with Volquez is that he can afford to give up the walks because he still gets guys out. He doesn't give up hits, and he records a metric shit ton of strikeouts. Despite the average BB numbers, the rest of his peripherals look amazing, and his WHIP is just a hair over 1. Even adjusted, normalizing the defense behind him, his periphs are basically unchanged, meaning he isn't just getting lucky with defense. He's been awesome. He gets guys out. His WHIP is like 1.02. On the other hand, you have Hanson, who has a horrible 1.41 WHIP. His GB%/FB% are bad enough that we can't really assume that its just a fluke, and in the bulk of his A class innings (60 pitched in Myrtle Beach), his WHIP was right around the 1.4 mark as well. Where Volquez makes up for the baserunners he allows on balls with strikeouts and groundouts, Hanson fails. He's giving up something like a hit per IP right now, and his BABIP is actually below Southern League average. He doesn't walk so many guys that he's couldn't make up for it by getting outs at an exceptional rate, but he isn't getting those outs. And outside of pitching 40 or so innings earlier this year against inferior hitters after he should have been called up, he never has been able to get those outs. |
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| Allison5479 | Jun 28 2008, 08:58 AM Post #9 |
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BF74, did you just come back here to cut everyone and everything down and proclaim how right you are about everything? Because that's pretty much what I'm seeing... |
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| bravesfan1018 | Jun 28 2008, 02:02 PM Post #10 |
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Agreed |
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